Saturday, May 21, 2011

Tests with SI-8B / СИ8Б Pancake GM tube

I did some experimental measurements with my new SI-8B / СИ8Б Pancake G.M. tube/probe, to verify it's functional and to prove it's able to detect any alpha radiation.

(Update 2011-06-07 22:30 CEDST): more measurement results and photos added.

Ua=400V Ra=4.7MΩ
  1. Background radiation, indoor..
    90-126cpm, average 105cpm (with or without aluminium Beta-shield on probe).

  2. Fertilizer (N-P-K), 100grams of granulars in a zip-bag laid on top of the probe:

    with Beta-shield: 134-149cpm, average 141cpm.
    without Beta-shield: 475-548cpm, average 505cpm.

  3. Am-241 Source from Smoke detector:

    with Beta-shield: 7-12cps (420-720cpm).

    without Beta-shield, just a piece of paper between Am-241 source and probe (blocking alpha): 13-25cps (780-1500cpm).

    without any shielding: 150-450cps (9000-27000+ cpm).

  4. Wolfram-Thorium (red color band, 2% Thorium, 2.4mm thickness) Tungsten welding electrode:
    A length (8cm) of WT20 electrode positioned across the SI-8B window:
    sample1:
    with Beta-shield: 253-280cpm, 268cpm average.
    without Beta-shield: 521-543cpm, 530cpm average.

    sample2:
    with Beta-shield: 239-285cpm, 261cpm average.
    without Beta-shield: 536-556cpm, 544cpm average.

    Both lengths of WT20 electrode positioned side-by-side across the SI-8B window:
    with Beta-shield: 356-427cpm, 389cpm average.
    without Beta-shield: 941-983cpm, 963cpm average.

  5. 14C 60µC test source (Beta radiation, 0.156476MeV), in TTL6109a
    "Strahlenspurgerat". Measured with the SI-8B held close to the mica window of the ionisation chamber, with the mode switch in the "R" position (so the 14C test source is exposed into TTL6109A's ionisation chamber).

    with Beta-shield: 102-143cpm, 116cpm average
    without Beta-shield: 3924-4360cpm, 4142cpm average

cpm = counts per minute
cps = counts per second

Photo's of experimental counter setup with SI8B, my HV inverter circuit and my Pulse-Counter / RS232- interface / LCD:
Test setup with SI8B, HV inverter and PIC pulse counter / LCD, powered by 4 NiMh coin cells
Close-up of the SI-8B mounted on a Pringles can.
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4 comments:

  1. JohanJune 18, 2011 at 5:33 PM

    I also have a pancake tube, they are really sensitive and able to detect alpha particles.

    I have a SI-13B and a SI-12B. The SI-13B is of typical pancake tube size, the 12B is quite small. When you hold a Am-241 source in front of it you can easily see the "fall off" of alpha particles if you move the source further away from the tube.

    I saw you tube on ebay too, always watching those Russian tubes for sale :)

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  2. AnonymousJune 24, 2011 at 7:34 PM

    Hello,

    Do you happen to know how Russian SI8B compares in sensitivity to LND pancake sensors?

    According to LND, sensitivity of their pancake sensors to gamma radiation is 60 cps/mRh. SI8B states 400 cps/mRh. I find it difficutl to unerstand why US made sensors of roughly the same size as SI8B would be 6-7 times less sensitive. I wonder if there is some confusion in units, etc.

    If you have any information on that, that'd be much appreciated,
    Jenya

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  3. radiation-goesJune 25, 2011 at 1:45 PM

    Hello Jenya, thanks for your comment.
    As for the specs of the SI8B i'm not sure if the gamma sensitivity of "400" is really in CPS. It could very well be CPM but that would be extremely low, it is unclear to me.
    I have not been able to check the value as I have no calibration (gamma) source. I can only compare it's sensitivity to my FHZ76V tube - the SI8B is roughly ten times more sensitive.

    The big difference between the LND pancakes and the SI8B could lie in the effective surface, the SI8B has 30cm2. How does that compare to the LND's ?
    RG

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  4. katzeJune 27, 2011 at 5:41 PM

    Hello, I´m not absolutely sure about the following but it seems to make sense:

    The Manufacturer states "Sensitivity to Gamma Radiation: 400 Pulses/μR"

    That would mean: "400pulses/hour=1µR/hour" and that would result in 6,66cpm.

    1µR = 0,0084µGy and so 1µGy = 119,047619047619µR (in Air)

    So we have 0.0084 µGy/h = 6,666cpm
    leading to 1µGy/h = 793.65cpm

    Realistic Background Radiation would be between 0.1 and 0.2 µGy/h
    0.1 µGy/h = 79.365cpm
    0,2 µGy/h = 158.73cpm

    With Cap, I get around 127cpm that would be 0.16 µGy/h,
    without, it is a little less with 123cpm, that would be 0,155 µGy/h

    Maybe it helps ;-)

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